One question:was this surprising to anyone? This type of differences in lower class schools and middle-higher class schools have been going on for years. Before integration the teachers, administrations and students cared about their schools and about each other. Once integration was put into place, it seem as if the quality of the school administration declined. It seem as if it is was all about educating the white students and if the blacks got educated in the process then fine. If Oprah is so concerned about the status of schools in urban America, then why not build schools here instead of Africa?
The video in the difference of the two schools is somewhat alarming. Yes, the 62 million dollar school had all of the necessities that an ideal school of this day and time should have. With that type of money placed within a school, what would one expect? Now, on the other side of the coin, you have this Harper school, going without certain things in the school. All of the things are nice to have, but is it necessary for educating the children? Where are the parents, the community, the school board, the teachers, and the superintendents of that area? Are they trying to get a better school for the kids who are scoring low in reading, in math, and all the other subjects. Who takes the blame for this or do they all play a part in it? The Administration can not continue to just past kids on in the system without them getting a decent education......I agree with Jacqueline in reference to Oprah. She has a lot of money and has made sure the children in Africa are educated and have the proper tools for learning. Not only Oprah, but others who have the ability to provide and make the school system (schools) a little more pleasant, are they contributing to assist with the need. Let's take care of home first!
The video is breathtaking to see how far some schools have advanced more than others,but it is not a surprize because for us it has always been that way. I remember the students at Garner High had to be transported to another school for swimming and ROTC was at another school, and other courses that the students might have some interest in. Later buses were provided to transport students to other schools for a trade. I drive a school bus and I have witnessed the inequality but Dana is right,when will the parents, the community, the school board,the teachers, and the superintendent get better schools in regards to the inequalities of education. Labeling, passing them on, alternative schools, and suspension is the way they alter their behaviors. If schools are built to help them control their behavior, why can't money be used to provide a quality education
Jackie, I agree, the condition of the school in New York in the "Tale of Two Schools", was devastating. I can't imagine my child attending a schoolin that condition, it mad me anrgy and sick to my stomach. I feel so badly for those children. In "Trading Schools", don't be arlamed, this is going on right here in Raleigh,NC. Has any one over visited Durant Rd. Elementary School in North Raleigh and Fuller Elementary School, located in Southeast Raleigh? The difference dosen't begin in high school; it begins in elemantary school. And the diferences are not suttle, they are "wooo" right in your face! That is why my children never went to the same school the other kids in the neighborhood were bused too. Did I think my children were "better" than those in my neighborhood, NO. I just wanted a better education for them. Parents HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTIVE PART in their child's education!! Want more for your child than you were presented with!!! Demand equal education!!!!!
This is so suprising for me, as I grew up in California and our schools were not in the condition that I hear regarding other larger cities. I agree with others that we should focus on taking care of home first. We have excessive needs right here at home. Oprah could easily assist in building greater educational resources here.
Just a note to the class! I have enjoyed this semester and all the comments that took place within the classroom. Everyday is an opportunity to learn something new! It does not matter if we are young or old. We learn from each other. We are ALL scholars in our own unique way. Not taking anything from you Dr. G. My prayer is that we all succeed and pass along the knowledge to others who do not know! Be blessed!
I just watched the video and it's like that everywhere, not just in Chicago. It's even right here in Raleigh. This goes back to even in history. I remember once in class one of our older classmates talked about how their books weren't up to par with that of their white counterparts. Drawing off of my own exoerience, when I was in high school, my home school was a school that had a history of the students being way below the avg line when it came to math, schience and reading, so my mother used one of her friends address in another neighborhood so I could go to a better school. I ended up going to on of the best high schools in the state where the race ratio was more than 70% white, about 10% black and the rest was the other races. I do think that children who go to these schools that aren't up to par are suffering. I'mn nnot saying that all students don't do well once they leave high school and go to college, but it would be nice to see what some students would do if they had better everything. Just like in the video, the one girl said she was lost in the math class that she was in while at the other school, while she recieved an A at her school. There's a difference in every aspect in a sense. The students will always be at disadvantage since their facilities, books, computers and all around school is disadvantaged.
Jacqueline, I was not surprised about this at all. I do agree with you that this is still like this and will continue to be this way. Yes, if these inner city school would have alumni who give back to the school, maybe the facilities wouldn't be like this. But because a very little percentage of the graduate, there are no persons to help with donations. Most of the inner city kids just wanna get out of high school. That's an accomplishment, but the expectations for the students at those other schools, the better ones, are to graduate from high school just it is to go to college a graduate from a college also. As for Oprah, she shed some light on this issue by addressing it on her show, but she's not gonna be helping those schools out. She's had that show for forever and she's just now saying something about it. Oprah is an Aunt Tomasina, the lady version of an Uncle Tom. I bet if it were the reverse, she would've helped the students in the suburbs. That's just my opinion though, my 1st amendment...
I would like to second the comments that Mr. Lassiter left on 11/28/09. I truly enjoyed the class (although I struggled with writing papers). There was so much knowledge given, not only by Dr. Greenfield but from each and everyone of us. No matter what paths each one take in the future, I know that we all will be successful.
How disgraceful! The condtion of that inner city school is totally deplorable. The building such have been condemned, as it is not fit to inhabit people or animals. And they look at the children and ask where is their sense of pride. Consider spending the greater part of your day in an environment that is unsafe, unsanitary, and unhealthy. This building is screaming with illness. Some that appear now others will rear their ugly heads in the future. Are they offering an education worth dying for? This problem extends beyond the public education system. It also exist in colleges and universities throughout the nation.
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ReplyDeleteOne question:was this surprising to anyone? This type of differences in lower class schools and middle-higher class schools have been going on for years. Before integration the teachers, administrations and students cared about their schools and about each other. Once integration was put into place, it seem as if the quality of the school administration declined. It seem as if it is was all about educating the white students and if the blacks got educated in the process then fine. If Oprah is so concerned about the status of schools in urban America, then why not build schools here instead of Africa?
ReplyDeleteThe video in the difference of the two schools is somewhat alarming. Yes, the 62 million dollar school had all of the necessities that an ideal school of this day and time should have. With that type of money placed within a school, what would one expect? Now, on the other side of the coin, you have this Harper school, going without certain things in the school. All of the things are nice to have, but is it necessary for educating the children? Where are the parents, the community, the school board, the teachers, and the superintendents of that area? Are they trying to get a better school for the kids who are scoring low in reading, in math, and all the other subjects. Who takes the blame for this or do they all play a part in it? The Administration can not continue to just past kids on in the system without them getting a decent education......I agree with Jacqueline in reference to Oprah. She has a lot of money and has made sure the children in Africa are educated and have the proper tools for learning. Not only Oprah, but others who have the ability to provide and make the school system (schools) a little more pleasant, are they contributing to assist with the need. Let's take care of home first!
ReplyDeleteThe video is breathtaking to see how far some schools have advanced more than others,but it is not a surprize because for us it has always been that way. I remember the students at Garner High had to be transported to another school for swimming and ROTC was at another school, and other courses that the students might have some interest in. Later buses were provided to transport students to other schools for a trade. I drive a school bus and I have witnessed the inequality but Dana is right,when will the parents, the community, the school board,the teachers, and the superintendent get better schools in regards to the inequalities of education. Labeling, passing them on, alternative schools, and suspension is the way they alter their behaviors. If schools are built to help them control their behavior, why can't money be used to provide a quality education
ReplyDeleteJackie, I agree, the condition of the school in New York in the "Tale of Two Schools", was devastating. I can't imagine my child attending a schoolin that condition, it mad me anrgy and sick to my stomach. I feel so badly for those children. In "Trading Schools", don't be arlamed, this is going on right here in Raleigh,NC. Has any one over visited Durant Rd. Elementary School in North Raleigh and Fuller Elementary School, located in Southeast Raleigh? The difference dosen't begin in high school; it begins in elemantary school. And the diferences are not suttle, they are "wooo" right in your face! That is why my children never went to the same school the other kids in the neighborhood were bused too. Did I think my children were "better" than those in my neighborhood, NO. I just wanted a better education for them. Parents HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTIVE PART in their child's education!! Want more for your child than you were presented with!!! Demand equal education!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThis is so suprising for me, as I grew up in California and our schools were not in the condition that I hear regarding other larger cities. I agree with others that we should focus on taking care of home first. We have excessive needs right here at home. Oprah could easily assist in building greater educational resources here.
ReplyDeleteJust a note to the class! I have enjoyed this semester and all the comments that took place within the classroom. Everyday is an opportunity to learn something new! It does not matter if we are young or old. We learn from each other. We are ALL scholars in our own unique way. Not taking anything from you Dr. G. My prayer is that we all succeed and pass along the knowledge to others who do not know! Be blessed!
ReplyDeleteI just watched the video and it's like that everywhere, not just in Chicago. It's even right here in Raleigh. This goes back to even in history. I remember once in class one of our older classmates talked about how their books weren't up to par with that of their white counterparts. Drawing off of my own exoerience, when I was in high school, my home school was a school that had a history of the students being way below the avg line when it came to math, schience and reading, so my mother used one of her friends address in another neighborhood so I could go to a better school. I ended up going to on of the best high schools in the state where the race ratio was more than 70% white, about 10% black and the rest was the other races. I do think that children who go to these schools that aren't up to par are suffering. I'mn nnot saying that all students don't do well once they leave high school and go to college, but it would be nice to see what some students would do if they had better everything. Just like in the video, the one girl said she was lost in the math class that she was in while at the other school, while she recieved an A at her school. There's a difference in every aspect in a sense. The students will always be at disadvantage since their facilities, books, computers and all around school is disadvantaged.
ReplyDeleteJacqueline, I was not surprised about this at all. I do agree with you that this is still like this and will continue to be this way. Yes, if these inner city school would have alumni who give back to the school, maybe the facilities wouldn't be like this. But because a very little percentage of the graduate, there are no persons to help with donations. Most of the inner city kids just wanna get out of high school. That's an accomplishment, but the expectations for the students at those other schools, the better ones, are to graduate from high school just it is to go to college a graduate from a college also. As for Oprah, she shed some light on this issue by addressing it on her show, but she's not gonna be helping those schools out. She's had that show for forever and she's just now saying something about it. Oprah is an Aunt Tomasina, the lady version of an Uncle Tom. I bet if it were the reverse, she would've helped the students in the suburbs. That's just my opinion though, my 1st amendment...
ReplyDeleteI would like to second the comments that Mr. Lassiter left on 11/28/09. I truly enjoyed the class (although I struggled with writing papers). There was so much knowledge given, not only by Dr. Greenfield but from each and everyone of us. No matter what paths each one take in the future, I know that we all will be successful.
ReplyDeleteHow disgraceful! The condtion of that inner city school is totally deplorable. The building such have been condemned, as it is not fit to inhabit people or animals. And they look at the children and ask where is their sense of pride. Consider spending the greater part of your day in an environment that is unsafe, unsanitary, and unhealthy. This building is screaming with illness. Some that appear now others will rear their ugly heads in the future. Are they offering an education worth dying for?
ReplyDeleteThis problem extends beyond the public education system. It also exist in colleges and universities throughout the nation.